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Tom, if you and everyone in the U.S.  aren’t paying close attention to tonight’s mayoral race in New York City, you should be because so goes New York City, so goes the rest of the country.

The city is home, aware of it or not, to one of the most important races in the world.

Why? stop-and-frisk or stop-question-and-frisk. The question part gets eliminated most of the time and therein really lies the most critical part of the law, the question part.

Because if you question many people in New York City, even some black and Hispanic people, they will tell you that on the surface they don’t really have an issue with stop-question-and-frisk. Not the idea of it at least.

Not if the controversial policy was conducted like the occasional, random airport screening.

If they could truly believe that the officers would stop someone and say, “Sir I’m sorry but I need to check your bag and your person but they know that that’s not the reality of things on the street.

They know that officers will most likely not be that polite, if you can call that polite. They know that in reality they will probably be ordered to put their hands up, spread their legs, or lay on the ground and be handcuffed while an officer or officers have their ways with them; touching them wherever they’d like or handling them however they’d like.

So for those of us who’d like to believe in theory that we’d rather be inconvenienced by being stopped by police than shot by gun wielding criminals on the street, we deeply know that while that is true, it is highly unlikely that the police, the people holding the authority, and our fates in their own hands will treat us as citizens who deserve the same respect as any other citizen who happens not to be of color in the United States.

And while we are not letting the people who commit the crimes worthy of stop-question-and-frisk off the hook for perpetuating the stereotype, we know that it is too easy for police and people in authority to become so drunk with power that they abuse it.

Stop-question-and-frisk is the biggest issue in the country right now other than jobs and Obamacare and the next New York City mayor may not know it: but so goes New York City, so goes the rest of the country.

If he alters the equation of the formula that has reduced crime in New York City to its lowest in decades. One of which is stop-question-and-frisk and the crime rate creeps back up, beyond local citizens moving away to the suburbs, people will stop visiting, stop spending their tourist dollars.

A big driver to the city’s economy, the city will suffer international consequences, cities and municipalities around the country will follow suit; looking at the big apple as an example of what to do or not to do.

So whatever the mayor here decides will be reflected in your city, reflected in your crime rate, and in your economy.

So the question is: would you rather be politically correct or safe and alive? That’s the real issue facing the citizens of New York and pretty soon, ultimately YOU.

45 thoughts on “STOP and FRISK: Would You Rather Be Politically Correct or Safe and Alive?

  1. Dr. Roy Norman on said:

    Don, FYI, according to FBI Crime Statistics Reports on NYC crime occurrences crime was descending in NYC prior to Stop and Frisk, or (SAF), which has now morphed into Shop and Frisk. Don, you see, racial hostility is manifest in many ways which can be obscured by purveyors of racial animus. For example a despised, hatred minority could have a job, even an executive position and be despised, disrespected, hated, even mislead into feeling accepted and safe within deep seated, well-disguised evil intentions. Don, Black, Latino men, young, old, gay, straight, rich, poor, employed, unemployed, in suits, lowered, pants, tuxedos, pajamas, Military uniforms, OR Scrubs, brief cases, or even driving a Ferrari can be stopped and Frisked not because a NYC Police Officer witnessed them committing a crime. Don, they can be stopped because a Police Officer saw their SKIN COLOR and thought they might want to commit a crime, or are capable of committing a crime. Hmm… Don remember that wonderful movie, MINORITY REPORT? You know the fictitious movie where a person would be arrested because they were thinking about committing a crime? Well Don, as you sit back watching NYC Police Precognitive thinking at work when they see you and throw your dumb A$$ on the ground, physically holding you down and demanding your ID, as you beg, and wonder “What did I do, Tell me what did I do?” You’ll begin to grasp all the psychological dangers inherent in a program designed purely to identify other human beings some individual created solely to satisfy their own sociopathic justification for not stopping crime but dehumanizing another free human being. Dehumanization based on race has been around a long, long time. Hitler, comes to mind, Don, read how Krystallnacht came about in Germany, and Poland, or read Klu Klux Klan strategies. Or maybe accept the fact that Black, People, Mixed race people, Latinos daily face selfish sociopathic violence in many forms. If you doubt these words ask …ahhh, I know someone who may be able to shed some light on this. In fact don I know the perfect person…. Umm The President of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama.

    • Joe Valdez on said:

      Dr Roy Norman
      You are an idiot . Black on Black crime is out of control period. You are 14% of the population an commit 95% of all Black on Black Murders (more than 9,500/ yr) Blacks are the single largest threat to each other and National Security . Blacks Americans are quick at blaming the us the rest of society for their laziness , nastiness, destruction of our cities like Detroit, Newark, Cleveland, St Louis …on and an…. 75% of all African Americans homes are headed by a single Black woman. 2/3 Black Males 40yrs and under prefer White females than Black ones why?? They want to pro-create Halfbreed Mulattos ala Obama and this moron Gay Football Player Jonathan Martin, and this idiot Don Lemon who is giving oral sex to his White Boy Friend. We are tired of being blamed for Black stupidity. Hell Blacks couldn’t even build and erect the MLK monument,it was outsoourced to China, and erected by Chinese workers in DC with a 95% Black population with 24% Black unemployment.

      • Tbone85 on said:

        Did you just call someone else an idiot after stating: “You are 14% of the population an commit 95% of all Black on Black Murders” ? Might want to revisit the definition of black on black. Ignorance is too funny.

        It’s a perfect setup for the rest of your perfectly incoherent and pathetic rant. You forgot to mention that Detroit, Cleveland, et all have been in decline since the 1950s. You talk about someone else being nasty and lazy after your pathetic ramblings about mulattos and gays?

        You’re a simple-minded inbred troll who is beneath contempt. Get back to your cave with your wife/sister and don’t come back out until you have something semi-intelligent to say.

      • Joe Valdez on said:

        You piece of Degenarte African American Crap.
        Coleman Yound , Jwame Killpatrick aad now Kenyan Bi-racial President Obama are good examples why we should never trust extremist racist African Americans , and that includes that idiot Corey Brooks . You guys are dirty , nasty you pee in the streets , you poo ( deficate ) in your parks . You fornicate in front of your kids , you kill each other like wild savages you guys are . He’ll you don’t have any intelligence to create things. Tell Bozo why couldn’t you build and erect the MLK Statue in DC ? You were so dumb and lazy that Chinese workers did it for you guys . Sharpton , Jesse Jackson , and his criminal son stole all theory raised .

      • Joe Valdez on said:

        I made some typo because of my big hands on an I phone key board .
        Never the less that Big Black A Hole Killpatrick is in Jail with all his African American Bros . Where he belongs .
        Why do you Blacks show your underwear You perverts , why don’t you do what the rest of us do ?
        Why do you guys wear Girlie Diamond studs ??? Just like queers

      • Joe Inbred, I wash my hands of you. Take your place in Troll hell. I’m sure your self hate and ignorance will make great companions. You’re now ignored.

      • joe valdez on said:

        Piece of African American crap. An average Grade 8 decent hard working American has equal qualification to an African American with a Doctorate Degree. You still can’t answer me why you African Americans couldn’t even design , fabricate, and erect the MLK Monument , you lazy stupid bums go the Chinamen to do it for you .

  2. 55th st silverbacks on said:

    before it was labled stop & frisk , it was called racial profiling. most of the comments here are concerning don lemon. TRUE HE IS DISCONNECTED FROM THE REALITIES OF AFRICAN AMERICAN MALES , but he is not the topic let US use this forum to come together with solutions. the ability we have now to communicate across the world should be one we use to our advantage. not futher the divide.

  3. blackspeak on said:

    “Stop and Frisk” only benefits those who live in communities where criminality is raging and people are more likely to be killed of injured by gunfire…

  4. 98% of child pornographers and child sexual abusers are white males. 92% of teachers having sex with their students are white females and white males. Shouldn’t people who fit that profile be stopped and frisked anytime they are around schools and playgrounds?

    • Joe Valdez on said:

      Billbow you are a racist Biggot African American Idiot . You Black African Americans committ n=more than 65% of all crimes with a 14% population by far the worse almost 5-1 crime ratio . Most well educated Blacks move in our prosperous clean White and Latino neighborhoods . Blacks are nasty, they pee on the streets, they have AIDS because of their HOMO behaviours in Jail . Nasty Nasty Nasty. Hell Blacks prefer to have a White Woman . Even Don Lemon is sleeping with his White Boyfriend the pervert

  5. Dr. Delores Jones-Brown on said:

    When an educated Black man confuses constitutional rights with political correctness, we have entered an all time low in American political and public discourse.

  6. Don is a Brave man. Some of the comments thrown at him are off the charts. Every time he gives commentary on any subject (Some) people come at him like a pack of rats. I’m by no means suggesting that every one has to agree with every thing he says; but ease up a little bit people. To me it appears that instead of giving constructive criticism; some people are more interested in (lashing) out at Don.

    • Tbone85 on said:

      In terms of this opinion piece, I don’t know that Don’s position is one of bravery so much as faulty reasoning and a poor grasp of the facts. I would hope that Don would be more upset by what a appears to be his own sloppy reasoning than some name-calling.

      I think attacking him personally is across the line, but his argument is more than fair game. Sometimes I agree with Don, but when he misses the mark by this much in such a public forum, he like all of us needs to be accountable.

  7. doconwheels on said:

    Don Lemon is offering a false choice: security or freedom. The fact is, Don, that the decline in New York’s crime rate occurred BEFORE stop and frisk de rigeur. Indeed, the United States as a whole is seeing historic declines in violent crimes over the last 20 years. Yes, NYC has seen the sharpest decline, but causation does not align the number of stop and frisk with the decrease in crime. The question I want Don Lemon to answer is why I should accept second class citizenship for someone’s ‘security’?

    • Joe Valdez on said:

      Black Anericans are like kids and need to be controlled. I believe we need to increase frisking Blacks and Mexican Americans .
      Black being the worse , and Mexicans are next

  8. taylor on said:

    Why is Tom Joyner giving this black-basher a platform for his idiocy? Don Lemon is using AfricanAmericans to further his career. Let him go back to his white boys coming in from the rear!

    • Tbone85 on said:

      It’s too bad Stop and Frisk isn’t a magical cure for anything other than political fantasies. They would REALLY be on to something if they had a cure for ignorant comments.

  9. Please let me know when you all have cancelled Don Lemon’s segment. Then I’ll start listening again. I am fully aware that Don is a VERY intelligent man and he is FULLY aware that there are NO statistics that support his position. I am very disappointed that the TJMS would provide him with a forum to perpetuate these BS myths and stereotypes. Tell him take his show to Fox or somewhere else where he can be the “black guy” that agrees with Hannity, Limbaugh, O’reilly and company. I’m fine with a differing opinion based on FACTS but to allow him to continue to perpetuate this BS is far more damaging than the likes of Limbaugh and company. I’m not quite sure how I will know when his segment is cancelled since I won’t be listening. I guess I will check the website periodically. Let’s see if you all will walk the walk.

  10. I’m sure all these “fact Filled Rebuttals” to Lemons commentary will give solace to the next of kin
    of all those Black men and women who will be murdered by other black men tonight

    • Tbone85 on said:

      Facts and data are sticky things. Some prefer to cling to the comfort of anecdotes.

      I’m sure those who prefer fiction are going in the homes of families of black men who are being killed WITH Stop and Frisk and telling them that they’re not really dead because the program is taking 1 gun off the streets out of every 5000 stops.

  11. Don, you are remarkably ignorant. Crime rates have been falling across the country and in NYC well before Stop & Frisk started. You should’ve asked one of your interns to spend 30 minutes gathering this info so that your article would be based on facts rather than nonsense.

  12. damono on said:

    Black Male Privilege, the sad part about all this is that if Don Lemon had bothered to do any serious research, he would’ve known all the facts that you’ve pointed out. But sadly, people like Lemon are what passes for journalists these days. Sad miserable excuses that misinform their audiences and are more concerned with giving personal opinions rather than telling people the truth.

  13. Black Male Privilege on said:

    Don Lemon should probably never comment on this subject again:

    Fact 1: No research has ever proven the effectiveness of New York City’s stop-and-frisk regime, and the small number of arrests, summonses, and guns recovered demonstrates that the practice is ineffective. Crime data also do not support the claim that New York City is safer because of the practice. While violent crimes fell 29 percent in New York City from 2001 to 2010, other large cities experienced larger violent crime declines without relying on stop and frisk abuses: 59 percent in Los Angeles, 56 percent in New Orleans, 49 percent in Dallas, and 37 percent in Baltimore.

    Stop-and-Frisk abuses corrode trust between the police and communities, which makes everyone less safe. Don’t believe us? Then listen to NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly in 2000: “[A] large reservoir of good will was under construction when I left the Police Department in 1994. It was called community policing. But it was quickly abandoned for tough-sounding rhetoric and dubious stop-and-frisk tactics that sowed new seeds of community mistrust.”

    Fact 2: The murder drop happened before Bloomberg took office and before the explosion in stop-and-frisk. The year before the mayor took office there were 649 murders in New York City. In 2011, there were 526 murders. This 19 percent drop is important, but to suggest that murders were cut in half because of stop-and-frisk is simply wrong.

    Fact 3: Further, stop-and-frisk has not reduced the number of people who fall victim to shootings. In 2002, there were 1,892 victims of gunfire and 97,296 stops. In 2011, there were still 1,821 victims of gunfire but a record 685,724 stops.

    Guns are found in less than 0.2 percent of stops. That is an unbelievably poor yield rate for such an intrusive, wasteful and humiliating police action. Yet, stop-and-frisk has increased more than 600 percent under Bloomberg and Kelly. And the rate of finding guns is worsening as the NYPD stops more innocent people each year.

    Fact 4: Comparing police stops to violent crime suspects is bad math. Only 11 percent of stops in 2011 were based on a description of a violent crime suspect. On the other hand, from 2002 to 2011, black and Latino residents made up close to 90 percent of people stopped, and about 88 percent of stops – more than 3.8 million – were of innocent New Yorkers. Even in neighborhoods that are predominantly white, black and Latino New Yorkers face the disproportionate brunt. For example, in 2011, Black and Latino New Yorkers made up 24 percent of the population in Park Slope, but 79 percent of stops. This, on its face, is discriminatory.

    • Tbone85 on said:

      BAM. Down goes Fray-zsha! Down goes Fray-zsha!

      I think Don in his desire to be provocative just allowed sloppy thinking and a headline grab to trump the reporting of facts–even in an opinion piece. Thanks for providing the detail for what some of us have sketched out.

    • Joe Valdez on said:

      I agree with Homo Don . Black males need to be frisked more by non Homo Cops. Blacks commit so much crime that the madness must be controlled using more force. Blacks Hoodlooms are Terrorists

  14. blackspeak on said:

    “stop and frisk” would do more to save the lives of those in the communities where the criminal element victimizes the citizenry, than any other available methods of crime suppression.

    • Tbone85 on said:

      Not true. It would be more effective to bring in the National Guard into high crime neighborhoods complete with tanks, automatic weapons, and full body armor to conduct nightly raids on every home in those neighborhoods.

      In fact, those methods would be just as effective in neighborhoods where there is less crime. I live in a moderate crime area now. I’ve lived in high crime areas in the past. It’s bad enough to be a potential victim of a criminal. They will not be deterred by a process that gets it wrong 95% of the time, and I don’t want to live under occupation.

      Every area has some crime. If you think this is a good idea, then you should lead by example and volunteer for your neighborhood to be occupied and that you yourself be frisked every week.

  15. THE WHITE/BLK/HISPANIC/law enforcement have always been an always will be drunk on power an (911)hijackers took2 the air they had too walk in2 the airport.if stop question n frisk.would have been n place there would b 3000 people alive twin tower would still b there.that TSA worker at LAX would b alive.there are KILLER N AMERICA.let the police due there jobs that what I pay taxs for.

  16. Tbone85 on said:

    Don, when was the last time you were stopped and frisked? How many times has it happened to you? No one cared in 2001 when the Patriot Act was passed because they thought that only “certain people” would have their rights violated. Now that everyone believes that they themselves it’s an EPIC problem. It’s quite easy when you don’t expect to be violated yourself, but something else when you are slammed against the wall or riding in that squad car simply because you are melanin gifted.

    There have been many changes in neighborhoods, policies, and demographics over the last couple of decades. Where is the evidence that Stop and Frisk is the primary let alone only reason for the change in the crime rate? You’ve proposed a scenario where we are making a choice between giving up our rights and being safer (and more prosperous), but the data proving Stop and Frisk CAUSED the crime rate change does not even exist. There’s as much proof the crime rate went down because they got Biggie.

    Don, you’ve proposed that we (the relative few) give up our liberty in exchange for more security and prosperity (for the many). Such an equation was weighed several hundred years ago in this nation, and African-Americans did not fare well in the result. I’m going to need a whole lot more proof than the word of self-interested officials before I willingly give up my personal freedoms and rights.

    • Joe Valdez on said:

      Don would love to be frisked by one of those big Irish White Cops and be bent over and get a Big White Un Circumcised Shamrock up his Hersheyl Alley .

  17. Kilo Perkins on said:

    Sometimes we are our worst enemy. PJ and Shaka you are both examples of the problem. As a black man I am allowed to have an opinion of my own. It doesn’t have to be like yours Shaka. ALso PJ allowing stop and frisk isn’t sacrificing freedom. When their is a problem you deal with it. PJ you and I will trade places. You can have my crime filled hood and you can have your freedom. I will live in your suburban home and be safe.
    The real problem is we treat the police like the enemy. So in turn they act accordingly. They are human too. How about the next time you see a police officer say hi. THank him for doing a good job. Tell him you feel safe with him around. Mabey, just mabey they will become human again and treat you with equal kindness.

    • Aria Wilson on said:

      That’s right Negros…just grin, shuffle yo feet and do a little jig for Mr. Po-liceman!! Say “Hey!” and tell him how wonderful he is!! He will LOVE you then!! I guess, Mr Kilo, you are not privy to the MINISTER and firefighter that did JUST that (smiled and waved to passing officers) and guess what they did?? They HANDCUFFED him and sat him by the side of the road for an hour. There was no pleasantries exchanged, no show of respect. They accused him of “giving them the finger” and told him to shut up when he tried to explain he was simply waving to them.
      Keep thinking that your behavior and kissing up to these clowns will change their mindsets! They will simply consider you “one of the exceptions”…. IF they extend even that courtesy to you. Or you may just be another naïve, embarrassed Black man sitting on the grassy knoll in handcuffs.

  18. I’m sure Hadiya Pendleton the 15 yo that sang @Obama inaugural would not mind an inconvinince
    like SQF if she could still be alive today

  19. The ignorance of American society is downright sad. Even if you don’t agree with the “founding fathers” of this country with regard to their views/actions on the treatment of black people, but ole’ Benjamin Franklin made such a profound statement, “He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither. People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.”

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