Embrace Our Gay Brothers & Sisters… Let God Be The Judge

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    By now EVERYONE has heard about Jason Collins announcement that he is gay. We have seen the tweets of support from everyone from the President and First Lady to fellow ball players. There has been an overwhelming media support that has over the last few years in particular become broadly more gay friend and has definitely not tolerated gay slurs and innuendos that not long ago would have been accepted or ignored. There are two areas of this story that I find interesting.

    The first is, about tolerance. You know we are living in a shifting society when one of the public faces being most critiqued is the Christian brother who has the courage to go on air and have a level of conviction to his faith. Jason has the right to come out to the world, and I believe that anyone that can find a level of peace embracing who they believe themselves to be is a wonderful thing.

    However, to embrace the honesty of a player who chooses to publicly announce his sexuality and demean a brother, Chris Broussard, who respectfully stated that his faith informs him that homosexuality is a sin publicly is a tad hypocritical. In the days and times where people of faith are labeled as un-evolved and out of touch, I appreciate a black man that did not demonize Jason, didn’t call him names, and did not single out homosexuality, but spoke to all biblical sexual morality and its opposition to living a Christian life. We can debate if we even as Christians agree with his theology, we can debate if we as humans agree with his approach, but we cannot in the name of political correctness say that everyone has to support Jason Collins announcement.

    I long for the day when we CAN disagree without one side or the other being labeled. The question is can we disagree, stating our opinion, whether religious or academic with respect. Real tolerance is not just about accepting one side, but the views no matter how painful of others even as we disagree. I want to celebrate Chris for his holy boldness as much as Jason for his human boldness.

    The second area is tolerance. I know I said that already, but roll with me. We are creating a false sense of acceptance in the black community when we believe that public tweets and remarks of support always translate to the way we treat each other when NO cameras or social media is present. There is a double standard even in the media when it comes to sexual orientation.

    The world is normally more open to lesbians than gay men. Weather it is a result of sexual fantasy or the perceived softness of women being easier for some to handle than the thought of two men, there is a double standard. Which is why you have yet to see a major player come out. It’s not about how we will treat them on twitter, but how we will or will not embrace them in our community. Even within Christianity we often take the job of judgment from GOD and administer it ourselves.

    Real tolerance and love is about embracing our gay brothers and sisters despite how our culture and faith calls us to believe; and letting GOD be the judge. When we do this there will be no hiding, and you might see major stars in masculine defined sports coming out….until then……well. Thanks Jason Collins.

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    1. Tami – your comments make for an interesting debate. But I will repeat that the country is evolving and I’m pretty confident discriminatory laws like DOMA will be struck down by the supreme court very soon.

      As far as scripture, we can examine some things about homosexuality: There are only a handful of passages in the bible that actually deal with same-sex intercourse and none of them deal with it directly. It is always in a larger context of ritual purity, rape, prostitution or pedophilia; in other words, they are presented in situations where someone is being exploited or sexually abused. Same-sex intercourse is never addressed in the context of two mutually-consenting adults.
      One passage is in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19). In it, God hears that there are more than a few indiscretions transpiring, so he sends a couple of angels to see what is happening. The person who meets them is Lot and he invites them to stay in his house and have dinner.
      Then, a bunch of men from Sodom come and knock on Lot’s door. They say, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, so that we may know them.”
      Now, Hebrew is a funny language. The word for “know” (yada) can mean literally “to know someone”, or it can mean “to have sex with someone”. So at best, these Sodomites are saying they want to meet and literally get to know who Lot’s guests are; and at worst, they’re saying they want to have sex with Lot’s guests. Since we can assume that God’s angels aren’t interested in a casual hook-up with these guys, what the Sodomites are really saying is that they want to rape Lot’s guests.
      Lot verifies this with his response: “I beg you, my brothers, do not act so wickedly.”
      The wicked act in this story is not same-sex intercourse. It is rape. Rape is a horrific act that should definitely be condemned. But same-sex intercourse between consenting adults should not for a very simple reason: it hurts no one.
      Let’s look at some other passages.
      Leviticus 18.22 says, “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.” (NRSV) And Leviticus 20.13 says, “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.” (NRSV)
      The word “abomination” in these passages is not a very good translation. The Hebrew word toevah means something that is ritually unclean and it was used in lots of other contexts, particularly dietary laws. Pork is toevah. A lot of Christians who try to use these passages to condemn gay people overlook the fact that they, too, are toevah because of the bacon they had for breakfast. Bloody meat also is toevah, so that medium rare steak you had for dinner last week also made you unclean.
      The fact is, Leviticus forbids a lot of questionable things that by today’s standards, most Christians ignore. For example, Leviticus 9.27 states, “You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard.” (NRSV) So, according to this, a shave and a haircut are an “abomination” as well. It really depends on how you look at it, etymologically.
      That’s it for the Hebrew Bible (or the Old Testament). Those are the only passages that mention same-sex intercourse and, as we can see, they were all in larger contexts of rape and ritual purity, not in the context of two consenting adults.
      Now, let’s examine what the Christian scriptures (or New Testament) say.
      All of the Christian scriptures that seem to address same-sex intercourse are attributed to one person: the apostle, Paul.
      In his first letter to the Corinthians, he writes, “Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6.9, NRSV)
      And in his first letter to Timothy, Paul writes, “Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately. This means understanding that the law is laid down, not for the innocent but for the lawless and disobedient, for the godless and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their father or mother, for murderers, fornicators, sodomites, slave traders, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to the sound teaching that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.” (1 Timothy 1.10, NRSV)
      The word in both of these passages that is translated into English as “sodomite” is the Greek word arsenokoitais. It is a very tricky word to translate because Paul seems to be the only person ever to have used it. It is literally not found anywhere else to our knowledge in ancient Greek writings. A literal translation of this word would be a man with many beds or the more slang and vulgar version, a man who likes to f**k. This implies simply a promiscuous person—not a gay person.
      Since the meaning of arsenokoitais is more than a little vague, responsible translators (such as in the NRSV) have used the similarly-vague English word “sodomite”. But even sodomy is losing its sexually vague meaning as it has begun to evolve into a word for anal intercourse (which has only added to the confusion of this issue). A better word for modern translations might be “slut”, but this word unfortunately usually implies a female whereas Paul’s passages refer specifically to men. There is simply no word in the English language that means “male slut”. All of this is useful, however, to illustrate the sexist bias our culture gives to men. Promiscuous women are called sluts whereas promiscuous men are called studs? It’s an interesting detail to note.
      Unfortunately, to make this problem even worse, there are some very irresponsible translators (e.g. NIV and New Living) that have begun to use the English word “homosexual” for the Greek arsenokoitais. This is very irresponsible because now a lot of relatively unknowing Christians use these poor translations and say, “See? It says right there: homosexuality is a sin!”
      The only other passage in the New Testament that addresses same-sex intercourse is in Paul’s letter to the Romans where he writes, “For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error. (Romans 1. 26-17, NRSV)
      If we read these passages carefully, we see it is not passion that is bad, but degradingpassions. It is not intercourse that is frowned upon, but unnatural intercourse. In other words, if you are engaging in sex acts that don’t feel right for you, then you should stop. For a heterosexual, it would feel unnatural to engage in same-sex activities. But for a gay man or a lesbian, the opposite is true! For gays and lesbians, the natural thing for them is same-sex intercourse.
      I think Benjamin Franklin punched the issue right in the nose when he wrote, “Sin is not harmful because it is forbidden, but it is forbidden because it is harmful.” The fact is that it seems like most Christians need to step back from their Bibles, take a deep breath, and just ask themselves what the issue really is here.
      Jesus had it right. The bottom line is this: who is being oppressed and persecuted? Who is getting hurt? Rape is bad—it hurts people. Pedophilia is bad—it hurts children. Violence is bad. Killing is bad. Starvation is bad. Lying is bad. Stealing is bad. War is bad. Racism is bad. Sexism is bad. These things hurt people.
      And homophobia, too, is bad. It also hurts people.
      Men kissing men in consent doesn’t hurt anyone. And neither does women kissing women. If they are consenting adults, it’s all good. And if they love one another, then God blesses that relationship. God really likes it when people love one another.
      And we should too.
      So, it should be a really easy call for those of us who call ourselves Christians.

      • Okay brother, you said,”If we read these passages carefully, we see it is not passion that is bad, but degradingpassions. It is not intercourse that is frowned upon, but unnatural intercourse. In other words, if you are engaging in sex acts that don’t feel right for you, then you should stop. For a heterosexual, it would feel unnatural to engage in same-sex activities. But for a gay man or a lesbian, the opposite is true! For gays and lesbians, the natural thing for them is same-sex intercourse.”

        So if someone agreed with your reasoning could they say that if they were sleeping with numerous people who are all adults, no one is getting hurt, and that they love each person for different reasons that God would be okay with this because no one is getting hurt? In fact, you ended with, ” If they are consenting adults, it’s all good. And if they love one another, then God blesses that relationship. God really likes it when people love one another.
        And we should too.” So, again, I am just wondering if you understand why I see this as faulty reasoning.
        Also, if someone is cheating on their spouse, but no one else knows so no one is getting hurt, the two people love each other, and they are both adults God is cool with that as well? I’m not trying to be funny.

        Also, you said “All of the Christian scriptures that seem to address same-sex intercourse are attributed to one person: the apostle, Paul.”
        What invalidates Paul and what he preached in your eyes? Do you ignore all of what he preached? If not, how do you decide which parts of his words and deeds to set aside, and which do you decide to take to heart? How did you come about the decision?

        Also, Homo is the genus of great apes that includes modern humans and species closely related to them. A phobia (from the Greek: φόβος, Phóbos, meaning “fear” or “morbid fear”) is, when used in the context of clinical psychology, a type of anxiety disorder, usually defined as a persistent fear of an object or situation in which the sufferer commits to great lengths in avoiding, typically disproportional to the actual danger posed, often being recognized as irrational. In the event the phobia cannot be avoided entirely, the sufferer will endure the situation or object with marked distress and significant interference in social or occupational activities.[1]

        Just because someone does not agree with a lifestyle does not mean that they are homophobic, they just believe what they believe.

        I don’t avoid homosexuals. I was close with a guy who was homosexual who treated me better that any heterosexual friend I have ever had. I hold him in high regard, have always respected him, never avoided him, nor said a disrespectful word about him. I have worked with several homosexuals and have treated them with respect and dignity as well, but if I am asked what I believe, I am going to state those beliefs in a respectful manner. I would do so for someone who shoplifts, cheats, or commits any other sin. The truth doesn’t change for me. or anyone. That is why I constantly ask for forgiveness and try to align myself with what I believe.

        I have enjoyed this discussion.

        Be blessed.

        • I’m listening. The examples you gave about cheating is flawed because it actually does hurt someone not to mention the adultery and “thou shalt not covet” factors. Coveting or jealousy leads to fighting or wars, which hurts people.

          But this conversation was healthy – we agree to disagree but I too have enjoyed this dialogue, I only have this to say: Jesus’ greatest commandment was to love each other as he loved us. No sin is greater than another, and when it all comes down to it, what we choose to do in our lives is between OUR GOD, and ourselves. The bible is an book open for interpretation, like most books, and is almost like a “moral instruction manual”. We can interpret it however we please, just like we can interpret other things as we please.
          If you (generally speaking) consider yourself religious (call your faith by whatever name you want) and love everyone, regardless of how you feel about them and their lifestyle, wonderful. If you call yourself a Christian (or any other religion for that matter) and pick and choose different things from the bible pertaining to that belief to back up oppression, that is shameful.
          Jesus’ main teaching was for us to love one another. Why aren’t we willing to do that?

          Peace and love to all of you

      • The Old Testament laws are categorized in three groups: the civil, the priestly, and the moral. The civil laws must be understood in the context of a theocracy. Though the Jewish nation in the Old Testament was often headed by a king, it was a theocratic system with the Scriptures as a guide to the nation. Those laws that fall under this category are not applicable today because we are not under a theocracy.

        The priestly laws dealing with the Levitical and Aaronic priesthoods were representative of the future and true High Priest, Jesus, who offered Himself as a sacrifice on the cross. Since Jesus fulfilled the priestly laws, they are no longer necessary to be followed and are not applicable now.

        The moral laws, on the other hand, are not abolished because the moral laws are based upon the character of God. Since God’s holy character does not change, the moral laws do not change either. Therefore, the moral laws are still in effect.

        In the New Testament we do not see a reestablishment of the civil or priestly laws, but we do see a reestablishment of the moral law. This is why we see New Testament condemnation of homosexuality as a sin, but not with the associated death penalty.

        • Now if this rationale isn’t twisted, i don’t know what is! I used the exact words (word for word) from the bible and applied rational thought process to make a point and valid questions. You concocted an opinion out the nebula that don’t address any of the scripture or questions I presented.

          The fact is, as you have stated, we do not live a theocracy. WHY? Because those who brought Christianity to America left their native countries for fear of persecution and the ability to freely believe what they believed. FREEDOM – what an awesome concept! You cannot govern from morality because it is subjective. We don’t have the right to force moral/religious beliefs on others by way of civil law – separation of church and state exists for a reason.

      • Your Interpretation of scripture is totally off and you twist it around to accommodate your own needs. Homosexuality is never defined in the Bible in an acceptable behavior if it were practiced by individuals who had a loving relationship with each other. Homosexuality is always condemned. Homosexual acts are not natural acts and they are against God’s-created order. ale and female are designed to fit together — in more ways than one. This is how God made us, and he made us this way so that we could carry out his command of filling the earth with people. Homosexuality is an aberration of God’s created order and makes it impossible to fulfill the command that God has given mankind. Whether or not a homosexual couple is committed to each other is irrelevant to the argument since love and feelings do not change moral truths. If a couple, not married to each other but married to someone else, commits adultery, yet they are committed to loving each other, their sin is not excused.

        If homosexuality is made acceptable because the homosexual couple “loves” each other and are committed to each other, by that logic we can say that couples of the same sex or even of different sexes who love each other and are committed to each other in a relationship automatically make that relationship morally correct. The problem is that love is used as an excuse to violate Scripture. Second, it would mean that such things as pedophilia would be acceptable if the “couple” had a loving and committed relationship to each other. Third, the subjectivity of what it means to “love” and be “committed” to another person can be used to justify almost any sort of behavior.

        • Brandon – the argument of procreation is invalid and one of the examples people always revert to. BUT if sex or marriage for that matter was about filling the earth, then what about people who are sterile and cannot have children – are there laws preventing them from marrying? Or how about our senior citizens, who clearly, they cannot have children, so why not stop them from marrying as well. It is not me who is twisting the scripture, it is you – who cannot see the contradictions you are proposing.

    2. De Andre, it is apparent that no one that commented were able to tickle your funny bone.

      You stated. “For those against gay marriage, marriage is a civil institution in our country and a wedding is a religious practice. If the church does not wish to marry a gay couple so be it – it’s their religious right. BUT, the government shall not deny two consenting adults based on a religious principle.”, the government is not stopping them from having a wedding at the church of their choice, or wherever they decide, but the constitution is being interpreted as it stands. Also, the minority of Americans are against homosexuals marrying. Which means that I don’t have to move to another country and you instructed me, but I can stay right here where I fit in.

      Also, the men who wanted to stone the lady who committed adultery didn’t want to stone the man. Jesus was opposed to the way that the situation was being handled. ——————————————————————————–
      Deuteronomy 22:22 If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel. Jesus didn’t come to do away with the law but fulfill it, so please stop using that Jesus said this about this, but not that about that. Moses introduced the ten commandments to the people, so again I repeat, John 5:46-47 says that if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words? You and I sir, as well as everyone alive, have sinned and broken the ten commandments that is why Christ came to this earth. We have the opportunity to repent (ask for forgiveness and turn around from our actions) and be forgiven. No, past urges may not be gone, but we have the holy spirit to help us fight whatever sins we have and not be in bondage to anything that would separate us from the love of God.
      First Corinthians chapter 6 says, “9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

      Sexual Immorality
      12 “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but I will not be mastered by anything. 13 You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.” The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”[b] 17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.[c]

      18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.”Footnotes:
      1 Corinthians 6:9 The words men who have sex with men translate two Greek words that refer to the passive and active participants in homosexual acts.

      Hate to break it to you, but even if the laws are changed in every inch of this world, that is passing away, God’s word stands forever and ever and I am sure that since your are attempting to quote scripture, you will agree that it is the word of God.

      I have said all of this in love. I have had friends, along with myself who have gone against God’s laws, but you have to know when you are right and when you are not and make the necessary changes to align yourself with the Word, not with the trend.

      Be blessed.

    3. In addition to my last post…here’s some more food for thought…
      There are only a handful of passages in the bible that actually deal with same-sex intercourse and none of them deal with it directly. It is always in a larger context of ritual purity, rape, prostitution or pedophilia; in other words, they are presented in situations where someone is being exploited or sexually abused. Same-sex intercourse is never addressed in the context of two mutually-consenting adults.

      One passage is in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19). In it, God hears that there are more than a few indiscretions transpiring, so he sends a couple of angels to see what is happening. The person who meets them is Lot and he invites them to stay in his house and have dinner.

      Then, a bunch of men from Sodom come and knock on Lot’s door. They say, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, so that we may know them.”

      Now, Hebrew is a funny language. The word for “know” (yada) can mean literally “to know someone”, or it can mean “to have sex with someone”. So at best, these Sodomites are saying they want to meet and literally get to know who Lot’s guests are; and at worst, they’re saying they want to have sex with Lot’s guests. Since we can assume that God’s angels aren’t interested in a casual hook-up with these guys, what the Sodomites are really saying is that they want to rape Lot’s guests.

      Lot verifies this with his response: “I beg you, my brothers, do not act so wickedly.”

      The wicked act in this story is not same-sex intercourse. It is rape. Rape is a horrific act that should definitely be condemned. But same-sex intercourse between consenting adults should not for a very simple reason: it hurts no one.

      Let’s look at some other passages.

      Leviticus 18.22 says, “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.” (NRSV) And Leviticus 20.13 says, “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.” (NRSV)

      The word “abomination” in these passages is not a very good translation. The Hebrew word toevah means something that is ritually unclean and it was used in lots of other contexts, particularly dietary laws. Pork is toevah. A lot of Christians who try to use these passages to condemn gay people overlook the fact that they, too, are toevah because of the bacon they had for breakfast. Bloody meat also is toevah, so that medium rare steak you had for dinner last week also made you unclean.

      The fact is, Leviticus forbids a lot of questionable things that by today’s standards, most Christians ignore. For example, Leviticus 9.27 states, “You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard.” (NRSV) So, according to this, a shave and a haircut are an “abomination” as well. It really depends on how you look at it, etymologically.

      • Today, families with members who choose a homosexual lifestyle sometimes call for social acceptance of the deviant lifestyle. Some churches hearing this cry or impacted by revelations of homosexual clergy within their ranks have responded by advocating a gay-friendly theology of compassion. But lowering God’s holy standards to mankind’s sinful preferences is an abomination in God’s sight. As members of the body of Christ, we must not ignore God’s clear admonitions.

        The homosexual agenda has already impacted public education, public policy, the military, government, politics, business, entertainment, media, and religion. As inroads have been made into these areas, both the arts and the media have openly promoted acceptance of its sinful behavior. Major companies are now appealing to the homosexual market through sponsorship of homosexual events that influence general public opinion about homosexuality. Such aggressiveness demands that Christians not sit idly by as this morally deficient agenda is pushed.

        In the face of a militant homosexual movement that is pressing for legal and social acceptance of homosexuality, the church must keep its focus. First, homosexuals are sinners like everyone and need God’s grace, love, and forgiveness. Second, homosexuals can through the miracle of the new birth be set free from the power of sin and live changed moral lives. The church must reach out to all sinners with the love of Christ, no matter what the sin. And we must never let the declining moral climate of our nation pressure us into condoning what God condemns.
        Clearly the Bible states homosexual practice is sin. Scriptures which denounce homosexuality are found in both the Old and New Testaments. Advocates of homosexuality often attempt to rationalize, reinterpret, and explain away key biblical truths to justify their acts. Such abuse of inspired Scripture is wrong. Along with the passages that clearly describe homosexual conduct as sin (see below), the Bible speaks repeatedly about God’s divinely ordained plan of heterosexual relationships and marriage.

        Genesis 19. In the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, the “men” of Sodom demand to “know” the angelic visitors of Lot (v.5, KJV). Attempts to describe the request as merely a desire to get acquainted with the strangers does not fit the context. Other biblical passages link Sodom with sexual immorality and perversion (2 Peter 2:6-7; Jude 7).

        Leviticus 18:22. The specific command that a man is not to “lie with a man as one lies with a woman; [for] that is detestable” is sometimes attacked by pro-homosexual scholars who argue that Christians are no longer under the Mosaic Law. But there is a sharp distinction between the dietary or ceremonial laws abolished in the New Testament (Mark 7:19; Hebrews 10:8-10) and the moral laws reinforced in the New Testament. They are still applicable today. Breaking the ceremonial laws resulted in temporary uncleanness; breaking the moral laws meant severe punishment or even death (Leviticus 11 and 24).

        Romans 1:26, 27. This New Testament passage is the most pointed and clear condemnation of homosexuality (among men or women) in the Bible. “Women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. . . . Men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.” Some pro-homosexual scholars claim that Paul’s statements were addressed to first-century believers and thus are not applicable today. But God’s moral laws do not change.

        1 Corinthians 6:9-10. God’s inclusion of homosexual conduct with other specific sexual and social sins is clear from Paul’s first letter to the Corinthian church: “Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” Some defenders of the homosexual lifestyle have tried to explain away the terms “male prostitutes” and “homosexual offenders” by claiming that they refer to general immoral behavior rather than homosexual practice. But such a meaning of the Greek cannot be found in first-century literature and the translation would result in needless redundancy, for Paul began his list with “the sexually immoral.” The two words refer to the sins of passive and active homosexual behavior.

        Some pro-homosexual advocates try to refute the biblical injunctions against homosexuality by saying the Bible speaks against promiscuity and prostitution, not against loving, committed gay relationships. Some unfaithful spouses of heterosexual marriages have tried to justify adultery on the same grounds, but nowhere does Scripture suggest that loving, committed relationships of any kind can turn sin into righteousness. God does not permit mankind to reinterpret the clear teaching of Scripture to justify personal sinful desires.

        As Christians we must ask what Paul meant in Romans by calling homosexual acts unnatural (Romans 1:26, 27). Human logic tells us they are unnatural because if practiced universally, the human race would soon die out. From a social perspective they are unnatural because they are degrading to the sensitivities of the large majority of the population. (Some homosexuals claim wrongly that 10 percent of the population is homosexual. This exaggerated percentage, based on Alfred Kinsey’s faulty sexual-practices survey in 1948 and 1970, has been accurately set at between 1 and 3 percent in several recent and better documented studies).

        One of the myths propounded by pro-homosexual advocates is that homosexual orientation is genetically determined and that people have no choice in the matter. There is no scientific evidence to support this claim. Linking a particular behavior with a specific gene is considered highly unlikely by geneticists. Some would like to believe this myth, for it could be used to excuse all sin and evil behavior. In contrast, ministers and psychologists are treating homosexuality with success, which further discredits the genetic theory. The fact that God’s transforming power has changed the lifestyle of many homosexuals is well documented.

    4. @Brandon
      The “don’t judge scripture is not misquoted. One of the few stories about Jesus that mentions any kind of sexual sin is found in chapter 8 in the Gospel of John. Here we find a woman who had committed adultery (forbidden by the 7th commandment), but Jesus was not concerned with her sexual indiscretion. His focus was on the townspeople who wanted to stone her to death. So even in this case of sexual sin (adultery, in this case, that was clearly forbidden by Jewish law), Jesus came to the defense of the “sinner.” When he challenged the mob by saying “whoever was without sin should throw the first stone”, the people went away one by one. Then he told the accused woman that he did not condemn her. Jesus stood up for the persecuted. So that’s that.

      @Tami
      It always baffles me how people cherry-pick parts of the bible used to oppress others and totally disregard other scripture. The bible also states, “A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed.”
      (Deuteronomy 22:13-21) – As a woman, how would it make you feel if this text was used to oppress you and deny your rights?

      It appears that most people who are using the bible to justify bigotry and oppression have clearly not fully read the bible.

      Sidebar and lastly, it is the law of the United States that religion and civil law be kept separate (see the 1st amendment of the US constitution). For those against gay marriage, marriage is a civil institution in our country and a wedding is a religious practice. If the church does not wish to marry a gay couple so be it – it’s their religious right. BUT, the government shall not deny two consenting adults based on a religious principle. Our country has begun to understand this – Lawmakers swear to uphold the US constitution they do not swear to uphold the bible. If you wish to live where religious theocracy is the law of the land…move to the middle-east.

      • I won’t say much but if you read verse 11, he clearly gave her instructions on what to do. He told her to go and SIN no more. So He was concerned about her sin, if he wasn’t he would not have told her to do it no more. So you can’t take part of something and try to make it fit your own understanding. The bible is clearly written and God’s word and morals will stand. Whether or not people think homosexuality is acceptable or not has absolutely no bearing on whether or not it is sinful before God. God exists, and he is the standard of righteousness.

        • Again, if you have read my post that I did not say she was not a sinner. I stated Jesus was more upset over the oppression of the sinner. Yes, prostitution was a sin because it sexually exploited people (women in this case) and gave way for abuse.

        • Well I will not go back and forth with you because I already see what kind of mindset you have. The Bible clearly states Don’t waste what is holy on people who are unholy. Don’t throw your pearls to pigs! They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you. Homosexuality is still wrong, still a sin, still wrong in the sight of God. No matter how you break it down, it is still wrong, and if you are a homosexual you need to be delivered! Case Closed! I’m done!

      • The gay community would like this issue to be defined as a civil rights issue, comparable to what blacks faced during the civil rights movement. However, you can only make this argument by totally removing the moral component.

        It’s not a sin to be a black person or to live as a black person, according to the Bible. However, the Bible is very explicit about homosexuality being a sin. Comparing this to a civil liberties issue is not comparing apples to apples. If you remove the moral issue and you operate totally as a secular society, then perhaps you can argue this issue purely on a civil basis, which is how our nation has evolved on the subject. However, it’s a slippery slope, because then you must recognize the civil liberties of polygamists, pedophiles and any other form of aberrant behavior among people who want equal access and want to be treated equally without moral consideration.

        Should we legalize sodomy or sexual abuse of children? Why would we not think such a thought? It’s because we believe we are dealing with a moral issue. What if a parent and a child are consenting? Just because immoral behavior takes place by two consenting people does not make it OK.

    5. I wish all gay people would GET OVER THEMSELVES!!! I don’t care to hear anymore about anyone coming out! Gay people are full of deception and lies….straight people have been over the shock of it all for years now….the conversation is dull and overrated…..he’s gay, so what, so what, so what….I feel more sympathy for the straight girlfriend and others who were out and out LIED to for years and all this drama for WHAT, NOTHING…..NOTE TO ALL GAYS…..GET OVER YOURSELVES!!!! AND STOP BLAMING GOD OR ANYBODY ELSE!! You gettin’ yours anyway so move on…..

    6. I don’t agree with your commentary at all. God already defined Homosexuality as a sin. So calling it a sin is not judging. Its just like murder is defined as a sin and a crime, why because God defined it as that. So if someone killed another person, is calling them a murderer judging? No it is not. The same goes for homosexuality. Everybody always want to quote the scripture Don’t judge…but people always misquote that scripture. What that scripture means is don’t judge without knowing the motives behind it. We can judge but our judgement has to be based on what God has already established. So if God called it wrong, then it is wrong. I believe that the word of the Lord is truth and it will stand.

    7. “Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, and the supreme wisdom of His word, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.”

      Jesus did teach us to love our neighbor as “ourselves” and to not jduge others considering our own weaknesses but He will judge them at the appropriate time. So all who are gay, adulterers, fornicators and the like are free to make the choices they will answer to… according to the Word of God.

      It’s apparent that Jason feels his decision is founded in his Christian upbringing. It is also apparent that Chris has a similar upbringing with a different Christian perspective. Is it up to any of us who walk like either of them to take up the role of the accuser who is already licking his chops (Satan) and devouring every soul that is weak in this society of free-will citizens? I think its way too much to take on, and that’s why Jesus sacrificed for us. God knew. Let’s just love our neighbor, not necessarily have relations with him, and let his judgement come at God’s hand.

    8. My Christian faith does require me to love everyone, but you have to love in truth. If I have a friend who is sleeping around, does loving them, mean that I can not tell them that it is wrong? What if they shoplift, or are dealing in illegal gains? Do I stay silent, because they feel like they are a natural (born that way)? Back in the day, I would have heehawed it up with the person who had the “hook up”, had a “sugar daddy”, seemed to be doing well from illegal activity? It was their business, not mine? Now, that I know better, I must be better. Your girl is your girl and your guy is your guy, but if they ask you, or “come out” to you, why can’t you in love tell them that you love them, respect them, and will always have their back, but that you do not agree with their decision in this particular area. Gays having rights, should not negate mine as a Christian.
      And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ “and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?’” (Matt. 19:4.)
      “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?” (John 5:46-47.)
      “God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men.” (Romans 1:26-27)

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